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Dear Katrina,
Thank you for sharing your beliefs
with us. Starting you message with: "You people are
sick." certainly sets the stage for an open minded discussion of
this issue. Are the statements you call facts backed up by
evidence or are you expressing your opinions and beliefs and calling them
facts? I hope you realize there is a significant difference.°
We invite you to take the abortion truth challenge.° If you
find specific points on our web sites where we make claims that are not backed
up by evidence or where we are deceptive, or misleading or or in any way
hiding the truth, please be point them out to us so that we can correct our
errors.
You e-mail message reminds of the
words of Jesus: "Cast
not your pearls before swine."
Our web site was not intended for closed minded
people. Because you declare yourself to be
infallibly correct we will
not address the message below to you. We
speak only to those who follow the master's
words:
"Know the truth
and the truth will set you free."
"Let he among you
without sin cast the first
stone."
"Thou hypocrite, first cast out the
beam out of thine own eye;
and then
shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of
thy brother's eye."
"Judge not lest
you be judged."
and from
Ecclesiastes1:18
"Speak not into
the ears of a fool: for he will despise
the wisdom of thy
words."
We have also taken to heart these
words of Jesus:
"Beware of false
prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing,
but inwardly
they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them
by their fruits.”
And since you, my closed minded
friend, have already declared reality, we simply say, "Good by."
For those still with us, our goal is to show you that
there alternative ways to view the abortion controversy -- ways to save far
more innocent lives -- ways to do so without violating anyone's rights
-- and ways to honor everyone's religious
preferences.
Our goals are: 1) we give serious examination
of the truth hiding under the surface of the numerous illusions presently
being presented as facts about abortion, 2) we invite other to
look there too, and 3) we offer places to look for perspectives on
abortion that you will not find any place else.
A word of caution is in order
here. Please don't believe us, and don't disbelieve us
either. Open your mind. Examine the evidence, here and
elsewhere, and then decide for yourself.
We have formatted the text below as if
we were actually replying to Katrina's original email to us.
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Dear Katrina,
Have you ever considered the
possibility that you might not have all the
information necessary to absolutely know the complete and
total truth. Perhaps you might like to read the parable about the three blind men
describing an Elephant.°
Have you actually read our web
site. If not, we invite you to do so.
Here are the addresses of two pages that are written
specifically for loving caring people, who, like you, support
life.
1) Please join us in our
pro-life campaign. it's called: A new approach to Saving Innocent lives. You can find it
at: <http://www.pro-truth.net/04-save-lives-intro.html>°
2) The second
page is titled: I'm Concerned
About My Eternal Salvation. Can You
Please help me? You can
find it at: <http://www.pro-truth.net/83-co-ltr.html>°
It's nice to live in pro-life
Disneyland, but the rest of us live in world where hard choice
must be made on a daily basis. In the real world,
we have to choose between options neither of which are what we
would choose under ideal conditions. The
issue of abortion does not exist in an isolated corner some
where. If you would like to see how abortion
relates to the rest of the world, you can find that page
at: <http://www.choice101.com/11-abortion-in-context.html>°
Speaking of weeping, perhaps you
should weep for all the children that you have allowed to
starve to death or die of curable diseases. Since
you are adamantly pro-life, what did you do about the 40,000
children who starved to death today, and what do you
intend to do about the 40,000 who will starve to death
tomorrow, and the 40,000 the day after that? How
about weeping for them?
Better yet, put you pro-life words to
the test, and walk you talk. How are you pro-life and
what are your pro-life actions with regard to saving these
innocent children, and how about the thousands of endangered species?°
Being pro-life is not simple declaring your
position. It's about finding the best way to save
the most innocent lives and then taking action. Are you aware that forcing unwilling women
into motherhood is a very inefficient, rather ineffective and
extremely expensive way of saving lives. Actually it has devastating negative consequences.°
Imagine this situation: If
your two children were almost starving to death, and you were
pregnant again with the prospect of birthing another child
into the world that you absolutely could not feed, what
would you do? Would you birth that child and
abandon it to die on its own, or keep it with you and watch it
starve to death? The actions of your pro-life
leaders are forcing thousands of women into making that
choice. How about weeping for them?
*****
In response
to: "If life doesn't begin at conception then how does the baby get to the developed point of even being born? Did it just appear out of thin
air?"
It's possible that life does indeed
begin at conception, but then, it's also possible that
it doesn't. Have you ever considered the
possibility that a human being is not his or her physical
body. The evidence points
overwhelmingly in the direction that we are are non-physical
beings inhabiting physical
bodies. Even the Christian Bible
tells us that.°
Is it
possible that physical bodies are hosts for life and the
physical bodies are not in and of themselves "life."
Even your infallible Roman Catholic Pope in his own official Catholic
Encyclopedia admits that nobody knows what life is.°
In response
to:
"I know for a fact that life begins at conception."
Sure just like your ancestors knew for
a fact that the Earth was flat. Webster's dictionary defines
"fact" as: "Something that is really true.
This gets us into the distinction between beliefs and
assumptions. Is your statement a function of objective (evidentiary)
reality and is it your belief about reality?
The question, When does life begin?° has been hotly
debated for centuries and here you are sitting on the sidelines with the
answer as a known fact. Good! At last, the
answer that thousand have been searching for. Please provide us
with you evidence that proves you are correct.
In response
to: "I have two
little children and I know for a fact that life begins at
conception. I felt those children growing
and moving in my womb and heard their heart beat as early as 6
or 8 weeks."
If you examine the abortion example in
the section titled Confusing Reality with a Story About Reality,° you'll
find a similar scenario. The person referred
to on that page claims to be a truth seeker and he, too claims
womb experiences prove that life begins at
conception. You both may be correct . .
. But then, you both might be
wrong. Here's another
perspective on that topic.°
In response
to: "Did
you forget that Adam and Eve were the first
humans. How were they supposed to be conceived in
a womb that didn't exist yet?"
What womb was Adam conceived
in? Who can say? Who can say that a
womb was needed. Do you read the
Bible? What does this passage mean? -- "In my Father's house, there are many
mansions." Could it mean that there
are things we don't know about? How about this
Biblical line from Ecclesiastes 11:5, RSV:
"As you do not
know how the spirit comes to the bones in the womb of the
woman with child, so you do not know the work of God who makes
everything.”
The Adam and Eve story is an ancient
fable that is rather incomplete and confusing.
Since you are filled with facts, please answer this question:
The Bible tells us that Adam and Eve's
son, Cain, went out into the world and took a
wife. Where did she come from?
As teaching stories, the words
of Jesus are so simple and straight forward that almost
anybody can understand them. Perhaps you'd best
focus there and let the rest just be.
In response
to: "The fact is you are promoting MURDER!!!!! There is no other way to explain it."
"The fact
is..." Are you proclaiming reality,
again? Have you ever been wrong? While you were being
wrong, did you know you were wrong?
Are you declaring reality --
"There is no way to explain it."?
Or are you saying -- "I'm not aware of any other
way to explain it."?
What role does lack of information
play in your belief? And where does making
judgment calls about saving the most lives come into the
abortion controversy? Let me share an example with
you.
If someone came to you with the
intention of sexually molesting one of your children and he
said to you, "Where are your children?" and
you lied about where they were, would your lie be a
sin? Remember the ninth of the Ten
Commandments: "Thou shall
not bear false witness." Would you be
obligated to tell him, or would the context dictate
appropriate behavior in that situation?
Would you tell a lie to protect your children? Would you
make a judgment call? Or would you sacrifice your
children to follow the letter of the Biblical law?
Is it possible that an in-the-moment judgment call might be in
order for other women, too. Who invited you to
play God in their lives?
In response
to: "I am a Catholic and you will never change my mind."
What mind? Unfortunately,
you have just described the typical mindless, conservative
Christian. Are you aware that the true
believers in every religion on the planet believe in their
religion with the same mindless intensity, and they are as
cemented into their belief as you are into
yours.
The sellers of military hardware just
love people like you. Those who refuse to think
for themselves are also near and dear to the hearts of con
artists and manipulators.
And by the way, what do you want
to be when you grow up?
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