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In the Interest of fairness, we are willing to make space available on our web site for opposing opinions.   Below are some of the e-mails we have received from those in favor of outlawing abortion.    Please send us your comments to:   robin@pro-truth.net .?

(Unless otherwise indicated, all comments are 
printed in their entirety and  exactly as received.)

Most of the comments we receive tend to be rather vague about where and/or how on our web sites we are misrepresenting the truth.  Please be specific and tell us exactly what we are doing that is in any way a violation of the truth.   Tell us if you find us expressing misleading statements, ignoring vital truths, offering unprovable beliefs as facts.   Tell us if you find us doing anything immoral, unethical, deceptive, or hypocritical.

The page title "The Abortion Truth Challenge". may help you to more clearly see the specific information we are seeking.

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how can you do this?

i am a 15 year old girl living in a small suburb of st. Louis Missouri and am doing a persuasive essay for my language class. My topic being "Why Abortion should stay legal"... I came across this site looking for info on the topic and well I am, well very shocked! I am a catholic and I'm also pro life. I will never get an abortion but I do believe it should remain legal. I will agree that the choice of a woman wanting an abortion should be up to them but now that i have seen this site it well makes me sick! I cant imagine going threw with something so inhuman. How can you live with yourself? These UN born babies could have been our future but it seems that you want to wash their existence away. Are you that much of a child hater that you just simply wish they all would die? They may not be born yet but at least give them a chance. I pray that when i am older we wont have people like you governing our nation! So basically your site didn't get me to be "PRO CHOICE" it turned my opinion on the whole subject. Now I am happy to say I am ~PRO LIFE~

thank you for listing...

Megan ______

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Dear Megan,

Thanks for your note.   I’m glad that the evidence we offer has enabled you the think clearly about how best to save the most innocent lives.    You did look at the evidence, right?   Would you please help us so that we can assist others to also see the truth more clearly.    Please tell us what evidence on our web site was so convincing.

Did you like the part where we told you that 40,000 ALREADY-BORN children died today, and another 40,000 will die again tomorrow, and another 40,000 the day after that?   Am I correct in assuming you're going to put your pro-life-beliefs into action and send money to one of the children's relief organizations?   If you don't,  several children whose lives you personally could have saved will die next week.   If you simply ignore them and let them die, how are you going to live with yourself?

I’m a 63-year-old man living in a large suburb of Los Angeles, California and I’ve spent a good part of the past ten years studying the facts, the lack of facts,  and the fictitious fairytales relating to the abortion controversy.   As a child, I, too, was indoctrinated with the Catholic perspective on life.   I, too, am staunchly pro-life.   But I’m focused on already born people.   I see, hear, and read about thousand of already born people of all ages, dying who, with just a little help from your pro-life friends, could be given life.   Apparently you and you friends choose to simply ignore them and let them die.  I can't imagine doing something so inhuman. 

How can you live with yourself?   These ALREADY born babies, children, and adults could have been our future but it seems that you want to wash their existence away.   Are you that much of a people hater that you just simply wish they all would die?   They’re ALREADY born, so at least give them a chance.   I pray that when you are older, we won't have people running our government who simply ignore the death and misery all around them as they spend their time, money and effort attempting to force their personal religious beliefs onto others!

And of course you are concerned about global warming which is a result of over-population.   What is your reaction to the latest prediction that if global warming continues at the present rate, a million species will become extinct in the next fifty years?   In what way are you pro-life on this issue?

Since our web site convinced you that forcing your beliefs onto others is such a good thing, I invite you to read more pages so you can be an even stronger supporter of “pro-life.”    Here are four pages that you’ll probably find helpful.

 “Spiritual Awareness” at:
http://www.lifecoach4vip.com/m071-spiritual-awareness.html°

“A New Approach to Saving Innocent Lives”  at:
http://www.pro-truth.net/04-save-lives-intro.html.

“A Locker Full of Evidence”   at   
http://www.pro-truth.net/104-index.html.

“The Gift of Choice”   at   
http://www.choice101.com/76-gift-choice.html.

You wrote that something on our web site shocked you and something else made you sick.   Would you please tell us specifically what caused such strong reactions?   I hope it wasn't the page which described what your no-choice friends are doing:  http://www.pro-truth.net/08-pro-life-leaders.html.

And one final question:   Are you responding to our web site from a genuine belief that the evidence we present is false, that we are promoting murder because we're self-centered, greedy, evil people, or are you reacting to the fact that our web site has rattled your previously unexamined belief system all the way to its core?

I await your reply,   Thank you,

Robin  --  Outreach Director for The Pro-Truth Team

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Subject: Life Begins At Conception

From: Katrina   September 30, 2004

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You people are sick. If life doesn't begin at conception then how does the baby get to the developed point of even being born? Did it just appear out of thin air??? 
Did you forget that Adam and Eve were the first humans. How were they supposed to be conceived in a womb that didn't exist yet? 
The fact is you are promoting MURDER!!!!! There is no other way to explain it. I am a Catholic and you will never change my mind. I have two little children and I know for a fact that life begins at conception. I felt those children growing and moving in my womb and heard their heart beat as early as 6 or 8 weeks. I loved them before they were born. 
I weep for all the children that you are helping to kill.

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Dear Katrina,

Thank you for sharing your beliefs with us.   Starting you message with:  "You people are sick."  certainly sets the stage for an open minded discussion of this issue.   Are the statements you call facts backed up by evidence or are you expressing your opinions and beliefs and calling them facts?   I hope you realize there is a significant difference.° 

We invite you to take the abortion truth challenge.°     If you find specific points on our web sites where we make claims that are not backed up by evidence or where we are deceptive, or misleading or or in any way hiding the truth, please be point them out to us so that we can correct our errors.    

You e-mail message reminds of the words of Jesus:   "Cast not your pearls before swine."    Our web site was not intended for closed minded people.   Because you declare yourself to be infallibly correct we will not address the message below to you.   We speak only to those who follow the master's words:    

    "Know the truth and the truth will set you free."   

    "Let he among you without sin cast the first stone."    

    "Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; 
       and then   shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of 
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    "Judge not lest you be judged."

and from Ecclesiastes1:18

    "Speak not into the ears of a fool: for he will despise
        the wisdom of thy words."  

We have also taken to heart these words of Jesus:

    "Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing,
        but  inwardly they are ravening wolves.   Ye shall know them 
        by their fruits.”

 And since you, my closed minded friend, have already declared reality, we simply say, "Good by."

 

For those still with us, our goal is to show you that there alternative ways to view the abortion controversy -- ways to save far more innocent lives -- ways to do so without violating anyone's rights --  and ways to honor everyone's  religious preferences.   

Our goals are:  1)  we give serious examination of the truth hiding under the surface of the numerous illusions presently being presented as facts about abortion, 2)  we invite other to  look there too, and 3)   we offer places to look for perspectives on abortion that you will not find any place else.  

A word of caution is in order here.  Please don't believe us, and don't disbelieve us either.   Open your  mind.  Examine the evidence, here and elsewhere,  and then decide for yourself.

We have formatted the text below as if we were actually replying to Katrina's original email to us.

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Dear Katrina,

Have you ever considered the possibility that you might not have all the information necessary to absolutely know the complete and total truth.   Perhaps you might like to read the parable about the three blind men describing an Elephant.°   

Have you actually read our web site.   If not, we invite you to do so.   Here are the addresses of two pages that are written specifically for loving caring people, who, like you, support life.

1)  Please join us in our pro-life campaign.  it's called:   A new approach to Saving Innocent lives.      You can find it at:   <http://www.pro-truth.net/04-save-lives-intro.html>°   

2)  The second page is titled:  I'm Concerned About My Eternal Salvation.   Can You Please help me?     You can find it at:   <http://www.pro-truth.net/83-co-ltr.html>°   

It's nice to live in pro-life Disneyland, but the rest of us live in world where hard choice must be made on a daily basis.   In the real world, we have to choose between options neither of which are what we would choose under ideal conditions.    The issue of abortion does not exist in an isolated corner some where.   If you would like to see how abortion relates to the rest of the world, you can find that page at:   <http://www.choice101.com/11-abortion-in-context.html>° 

Speaking of weeping,  perhaps you should weep for all the children that you have allowed to starve to death or die of curable diseases.   Since you are adamantly pro-life, what did you do about the 40,000 children who starved to death today,  and what do you intend to do about the 40,000 who will starve to death tomorrow, and the 40,000 the day after that?   How about weeping for them?  

Better yet, put you pro-life words to the test, and walk you talk.  How are you pro-life and what are your pro-life actions with regard to saving these innocent children, and how about the thousands of endangered species?°  Being pro-life is not simple declaring your position.   It's about finding the best way to save the most innocent lives and then taking action.   Are you aware that forcing unwilling women into motherhood is a very inefficient, rather ineffective and extremely expensive way of saving lives.   Actually it has devastating negative consequences.°    

Imagine this situation:   If your two children were almost starving to death, and you were pregnant again with the prospect of birthing another child into the world  that you absolutely could not feed, what would you do?   Would you birth that child and abandon it to die on its own, or keep it with you and watch it starve to death?   The actions of your pro-life leaders are forcing thousands of women into making that choice.   How about weeping for them?  

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In response to:  "If life doesn't begin at conception then how does the baby get to the developed point of even being born?  Did it just appear out of thin air?"   

It's possible that life does indeed begin at conception,  but then, it's also possible that it doesn't.   Have you ever considered the possibility that a human being is not his or her physical body.   The evidence points overwhelmingly in the direction that we are are non-physical beings inhabiting physical bodies.    Even the Christian Bible tells us that.°   

Is it possible that physical bodies are hosts for life and the physical bodies are not in and of themselves "life."   Even your infallible Roman Catholic Pope in his own official Catholic Encyclopedia admits that nobody knows what life is.°    

In response to:     "I know for a fact that life begins at conception."

Sure just like your ancestors knew for a fact that the Earth was flat.   Webster's dictionary defines "fact" as:  "Something that is really true.   This gets us into the distinction between beliefs and assumptions.    Is your statement a function of objective (evidentiary)  reality and is it your belief about reality?  

The question,  When does life begin?°   has been hotly debated for centuries and here you are sitting on the sidelines with the answer as a known fact.    Good!   At last, the answer that thousand have been searching for.   Please provide us with you evidence that proves you are correct.   

In response to:  "I have two little children and I know for a fact that life begins at conception.    I felt those children growing and moving in my womb and heard their heart beat as early as 6 or 8 weeks." 

If you examine the abortion example in the section titled  Confusing Reality with a Story About Reality,° you'll find a similar scenario.    The person referred to on that page claims to be a truth seeker and he, too claims womb experiences prove that life begins at conception.   You both may be correct . . .    But then, you both might be wrong.   Here's another perspective on that topic.°   

In response to:   "Did you forget that Adam and Eve were the first humans.   How were they supposed to be conceived in a womb that didn't exist yet?"

What womb was Adam conceived in?   Who can say?   Who can say that a womb was needed.   Do you read the Bible?   What does this passage mean? --  "In my Father's house, there are many mansions."   Could it mean that there are things we don't know about?   How about this Biblical line from Ecclesiastes 11:5, RSV:  

"As you do not know how the spirit comes to the bones in the womb of the woman with child, so you do not know the work of God who makes everything.”

The Adam and Eve story is an ancient fable that is rather incomplete and confusing.   Since you are filled with facts, please answer this question:

The Bible tells us that Adam and Eve's son, Cain, went out into the world and took a wife.    Where did she come from?   

As  teaching stories, the words of Jesus are so simple and straight forward that almost anybody can understand them.   Perhaps you'd best focus there and let the rest just be.

In response to:  "The fact is you are promoting MURDER!!!!!   There is no other way to explain it."

"The fact is..."    Are you proclaiming reality, again?   Have you ever been wrong?   While you were being wrong, did you know you were wrong?   

Are you declaring reality -- "There is no way to explain it."?    Or are you saying  -- "I'm not aware of any other way to explain it."?   

What role does lack of information play in your belief?   And where does making judgment calls about saving the most lives come into the abortion controversy?   Let me share an example with you.

If someone came to you with the intention of sexually molesting one of your children and he said to you, "Where are your children?"  and you lied about where they were, would your lie be a sin?   Remember the ninth of the Ten Commandments:  "Thou shall not bear false witness."  Would you be obligated to tell him,  or would the context dictate appropriate behavior in that situation?    Would you tell a lie to protect your children?  Would you make a judgment call?  Or would you sacrifice your children to follow the letter of the Biblical law?   Is it possible that an in-the-moment judgment call might be in order for other women, too.   Who invited you to play God in their lives?

In response to:  "I am a Catholic and you will never change my mind."

What mind?   Unfortunately, you have just described the typical mindless, conservative Christian.    Are you aware that the true believers in every religion on the planet believe in their religion with the same mindless intensity, and they are as cemented into their belief as you are into yours.   

The sellers of military hardware just love people like you.   Those who refuse to think for themselves are also near and dear to the hearts of con artists and manipulators.  

And by the way,  what do you want to be when you grow up?

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My ex-girlfriend had an abortion

My ex-girlfriend had an abortion against. I pleaded with her not to go forward with it. She regretted it immensely and it will haunt her forever.

I now have a beautiful baby boy (with a real partner and fellow human) and cannot understand how you can support killing a human being as a mere convenience.

Some of us are simply too into themselves to think about this issue from the point of view of the child. I am not religous nor do I lean to any one side of the political level.

Please take some time to think of what you're supporting. Also, do you have children? If so, you need some serious self-evaluation given that you are supporting others who have yet to experience the joy of their child.

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Dear Rael6650,

Thanks for your comments.   We always appreciate hearing other people's perspective on the abortion issue.   Your e-mail was so intriguing that I've added it to our web site along with the comments you'll  find below.

Your message has several assertions that you use as if they were provable facts.   I wonder if your opinions are based on some evidence.   If so, please share that evidence with us.    We'll pass it along to our viewers.   In case you don't have any evidence, let me share a few bits of information with you.   I'll start with the most illogical and mindless statement I've heard in a long time.

1)   The motive for having an an abortion is simply a matter of " mere convenience."   Are  you sure it's "mere convenience."  What about these factors:

Bearing a child has a multitude of life-changing, irreversible, long-term ramifications for the woman, herself, and for everyone her life touches.   The first and most significant effect of pregnancy is on the woman herself.     The decision to bear or not bear a child affects:

    her life style, 

    her standard of living,

    her social life,

    her social status,

    her financial earning capacity,

    her actual income level,

    her financial well being

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    her family,

    her friends,

    her choice of friends,

    her relationship with the man who got her pregnant,

    and all the rest of her personal relationships,

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    her education level,

    her career,

    the entirety of the rest of her life, particularly

    the next 18 years required to raise a child;

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    her physical body,

    her physical beauty,

    her sex life,

    her sexual appeal,

    her emotional well-being,

    her psychological health,

    her physical health,

    and, it could even cost her her life.

And if that's not enough, there are the hundreds of thousands of dollars required to adequately raise and educate a child, and the countless days and hours of tedious labor involved, not to mention that some women are required to give up their life's dream simply because they were pressured into sex that they didn't want by someone they really didn't care for that resulted in a pregnancy they were completely unprepared for.

Creating a physical body for another entity to enter into and use  is the most personal and intimate act of creation in all of human life.   And you see a woman's choice not to become a mother as a decision based only on "mere convenience!"   Perhaps it's time to take off your horse blinders..

If you believe that all of the above factors are merely matters of convenience, perhaps you'd like to buy the Brookline Bridge.   Just send me a check for $10,000 and I'll send you a  guarantee that it's in New York.

2)  And as long as we are on an absurdity role, let's talk about your perverted sex life.   You wrote, "I now have a beautiful baby boy (with a real partner and fellow human)"

Since your former sex life was with something that was neither a partner nor "fellow human," where's the concern about aborting whatever it was that the two of you co-created?   Were you having sex with a cow, a dog a sheep, or what?  And your "non partner" label implies that you are into S&M bondage as  either a dominator or a submissive.  It sounds like you have a real problem.   Have you considered therapy?

3)  And if I may go back to your opening almost sentence:   "My ex-girlfriend had an abortion against."    Against what?   Against the wall?   Against your wishes?  The pleading in the next sentence implies  that you preferred that she not terminate her pregnancy.  It also implies that you played the sexually submissive role in your above mentioned sexual what-ever-it was.

4)  You also imply that if a woman intentionally terminates  a pregnancy, it  will " haunt her forever."

Again, your lack of factual information is apparent.   Your statement is "merely" your misinformed opinion?

The overwhelming evidence tells us that post-abortion mental health problems are not the result  of a woman  intentionally terminating her pregnancy.   The psychological problems are the inevitable result of  the mental programming induced into her by those opposed to abortion rights.   Check these pages and then tell us the truth about post-abortion "haunting."

The Mental Health Issue.

Responsibility - The Key to Resolving the Unwanted Pregnancy Problem.

And unless you really are a sadist, I suggest you send your ex-girlfriend to our web site so her abortion won't "haunt her forever."

5)  You also wrote, "I . . . cannot understand how you can support killing a human being"   

Let me get a  little technical here.   We cannot prove what a human being really is.   Is a person his/her body or is he/she the spirit that inhabits a human body?   Is terminating a pregnancy, killing a newly created being or is it simply halting work on a construction site?   What are the real meanings and implications of abortion?   When does life begin?   If your belief about God's Conception Magic Act°   turns out to be true, then abortion doesn't kill anything.   It merely transfers life to somewhere°  other than on the crust of an insignificant dot of dust in an immensely complicated creation.  This aspect of the abortion issue is too lengthy to include here so we suggest you read  the pages indicated below and then tell us the truth about the meaning of having an abortion.

God's Conception Magic Act.

Spiritual Awareness° 

Life Begins When?.

Three Religious Assumptions.

6)  Although you did not specifically say so, your letter implies that you support outlawing abortion.   But you also said, "I am not religious nor do I lean to any one side of the political level."   So where are you?   What do you want from us?   Are you just venting your anger at your ex-girlfriend, or do you have a position to peddle?   If you support choice, you certainly don't say so.

If you support outlawing abortion, I cannot understand how you can support a cause that chases egg rights and at the same time, allows 40,000 already born children to die every day..   The evidence indicates that the actions of the  Pro-Life Leaders. do not save any lives.  And a closer look at the far reaching results and the long-term,  Hidden Costs of the Anti-Abortion War. show that the "pro-life" claims of its promoters are, in reality, a grim and morbid fairy tale.

7)  You also mentioned that you are not religious.     Then why are you sending me  such heated words about a very religious issue?   Apparently, you are not aware that Abortion Is a Religious Freedom Issue..    Perhaps it's best to remain silent in areas where speaking simple exposes one's ignorance.

8)   You wrote, "Some of us are simply too into themselves to think about this issue from the point of view of the child."   You are assuming the physical embryo is the human being.  Do you have some proof of that?  Have you found answers to these several-thousand-year-old unanswerable questions:   What is Life?.   What is the nature of God?.  When Does Life Begin?.    Perhaps you are you a believer in  God's Conception Magic Act..

And what about the other points of view?   What about the pregnant woman's point of view?   Does her opinion matter or is she property of the state?

What about the perspective put forth by followers of the Eastern religions?.   What if the physical structure being built in her womb is simply a vehicle for an eternal divine being who is coming to Earth to experience another human life.

What about the atheist's perspective?   Should they have someone else's religious fairytales forced upon them?

And then there are the Christians who actually believe the Bible in Genesis 2:7. where it states that life begins with the first breath.   Are you simply too into yourself to think about this issue from these points of view?   Please take some time to think of what you're believing.

9)   Yes indeed I am "supporting others who have yet to experience the joy of their child."   I'm also supporting those who already have so many children that they can't support them.   I'm also supporting the countless other life forms on this plane whose very existence is threatened by human overpopulation..   I'm also supporting impoverished women who choose not to experience the misery of watching their tenth child starve to death.

10)    Have you studied the evidence, or are you just parroting someone else's story line?   I invite you to get real!   I also invite you to take the Abortion Truth Challenge..   Let's separate facts from fairytales, truth from fiction, and let the truth lead us where it will.

 

Most people who write to us parrot opinions and beliefs they learned when they were defenseless little children.    We, in part,  respond by saying:  "Please examine our web sites and tell us specifically and exactly where we have false or misleading information."    Nobody has yet challenged the authenticity of any evidence put forth on either of our web sites.   So we invite you to take the Abortion Truth Challenge..

I also invite you to send us evidence substantiating the assertions you have made in you e-mail  and that we have questioned above.

I await your reply,   Thank you,

Robin  --  Outreach Director for The Pro-Truth Team

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INCOMING MESSAGE:     May 21, 2004
       Subject:
Distortions and Misinterpretations

You say you want separate the Bible from abortion yet you quote it's very words, or should I say misquote! You use the Bible that always look to preserve life and twist it to suit yourself. If you look at it in it's inteirety, you will see that you hav misquoted. If you don't want to bring religion into your beliefs then don't quote religious books or use them to back up your theories.

Jeremiah 1:5"Before I formed you in the womb I knew [ 1:5 Or [ chose ] ] you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations." What about quoting THAT verse. That before you are even born, you already have a purpose. 

You say that these Pro-Abortionists may possibly be wrong, and maybe they don't hit the mark 100% of then time, but there is also a chance that you may be wrong too! 

Just a challenge!

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Dear  Vanessa,

Thank you for your comments.

   

1)    You accuse us of misquoting Jeremiah 1:5 in  the Bible.    The reference to Jeremiah 1:5 on our web site page <http://www.pro-truth.net/62-con-artist-tricks.html #UsingTheOpponentsArgument>  is not a quote from the Bible.   If you'll actually read what is written there, you'll see that the we are simply copying words from the bookI’d Speak Out on the Issues if I Only Knew What to Say  by Jane Chastain.   If you have a problem about misquoting the Bible, we suggest you take that up Ms. Chastain.   

And, in answer to your challenge, we accept.   We've added the full and complete Jeremiah quotation to our web page.   Please be aware that this does not,  in any way, alter our assessment of that Biblical passage or our assessment of Ms. Chastain's personal opinions. 

   

2)   Is the above reference the basis upon which you say:   " You use the Bible ... and twist it to suit yourself."?    If it is, be aware that:  
     1)    you are misreading our page and  
     2)   the truth twisting is in your own mind 
              and not on our web site.   
If you are referring to some other Biblical quotations on our web sites, please tell us exactly where and how we have twisted the Bible?  And while you are at it, please tell us what Genesis 2:7 means.

   

3)   We offer you this challenge -- the challenge to clarify the message you sent to us.   We quote your words, "You say you want [to] separate the Bible from abortion..."  Where did you get that idea?   It's the  opposite of what we say:   Abortion is a religious issue.   Abortion is a religious freedom issue.   Have you looked at these pages?

http://www.pro-truth.net/61-religious-assumptions.html

http://www.choice101.com/77-religious-freedom.html

http://www.pro-truth.net/45-secular-sacred.html

Where specifically on either of our web sites do we say we want to  separate the Bible from abortion?   Are you sure it was our web site that you're referring to?

   

4)   Your comment,  "... the Bible that always look[s] to preserve life..." does not match what's in the Bible.  Have you actually read it.  Have you counted the number of times where God of the Christian Bible kills or demand the death of thousand.  The work  "Kill"  appears in the  Bible 480 to 512 times, depending upon which version you are referring to.   

   

5)   In your last Paragraph you wrote:   "You say that these Pro-Abortionists may possibly be wrong,"   I've never met a pro-abortionist.   If you know one, please introduce me.   Are you referring to those who are pro-choice or to those who are against abortion rights?

   

6)   And regarding errors, we certainly acknowledge that we may be wrong.   Rather than claiming we are right about anything, we prefer to simply offer as much of the evidence as we can find and then:

a)    let that evidence speak for itself,

b)    let it lead us where it will,

c)    allow you to make your own decisions about abortion, 

d)    allow everyone else to make their own decisions about abortion, and 

e)    invite all interested parties to offer updates to and/or correct the existing evidence, add refuting evidence, add additional evidence, and add their opinions to our web site.

   

Again, thanks for your comments.

Robin  --  Outreach Director for The Pro-Truth Team

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INCOMING MESSAGE:   January 4, 2005 
  Subject:
Errors  or  Logic?

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Hello, my name is Betsy. I am a college student in a speech class, and I'm considering doing a persuasive speech on abortion. I've been reading through much or the material on pro-truth.net and choice101.com. However, I've had some problems comprehending some of the material. 

For example, today we learned about fallacies of arguments. One of the 4 fallacies was called the Red Herring. This refferred to throwing information at an audience that was not relevant to the topic. The teacher gave the example of "people say guns kill people, but so do cars so should we pass controlled legislation on cars?" I found this example when the site said:

"Should we outlaw cars, airplanes, alcohol, bicycles, skateboards and soccer matches because people have died in activities relating to these things?"

I also do not find support in the argument that reincarnation threatens the anti-abortion campaign. Is it because some of this campaign believe life begins at conception? My understanding is that reincarnation meant that life was a cycle. Therefore life would still exist at conception would it not? If terminated before birth, one would still be destroying that particular life regardless of whether or not that eternal divine being would return to the cycle and find new life.

The fallacy termed the slippery slope is also apparent in the religious freedoms message with the six truths. The assumption is made that one event would set off a certain chain of events, which is rarely provable, especially in this extreme example. I found this when it is said "
3) Because acknowledging reincarnation would, a) expose the Pope's infallibility. fairytale for what it is, b) acknowledge the Christian Bible as presently written is different from the original text,. c) acknowledge that there is more than one way to interpret the Christian Bible, d) remove the exclusive access to God aspect of Christianity, e) acknowledge that Christianity is just one path to God among many, f) question the authority and believability of those presently dominating Christianity, and g) cause them to lose billions of dollars in annual revenues. (That's billions with a "B") "

This particular statement led me to also question the credibility of this site because it displayed lack of respect by expressing intentional or unintentional ignorance in the wording choice. For example, using the terms infallibility fairytale are misleading. The term infallible is often misunderstood by many to begin with. Accusing a group of intentionally misleading people and then using such words in argumentation is hypocritical. Finally, I don't see how it is plausible to make this issue a religious rights issue if you are misunderstanding the religions views. More and more these views are becoming based on scientific advances in prenatal care and technology associated with it. Also, generalizing Christian views in saying science and sex are bad is an incorrect generalization and demonstrates misinformation on the part of these websites. 

Before researching this topic, I had considered myself quite open minded to both sides. Sadly, after extensive research however, these errors I percieve seem more and more glaring. I would really appreciate some response that might return validity to some of these arguments. It would greatly help me present a valid argument to my class who will be looking for flaws in my argument. Thank you
Betsy

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Dear Betsy,

Thank you for taking the time to critique our web site.   You're comment regarding the red herring showed us that we had included only the pro-choice side of this type of argument.   We have corrected that oversight.  Thank you.

With regard to your comment:

" I also do not find support in the argument that reincarnation threatens the anti-abortion campaign."   

The entire anti-abortion campaign is based upon truth of falsehood of God's Conception-Magic Act.°    If reincarnation is true, then God's conception magic act must be false.    If there is no conception magic then the anti-abortion campaign is based on an unprovable fairytale.   We suggest you re-read that page linked above and the page titled:  Another perspective  of God's Conception-Magic Act.°    

With regard to your comment:

" My understanding is that reincarnation meant that life was a cycle. Therefore life would still exist at conception would it not? If terminated before birth, one would still be destroying that particular life regardless of whether or not that eternal divine being would return to the cycle and find new life."

The overwhelming evidence tells us that life is not the physical form; its something that is non-physical and inhabits physical matter.   Please re-read the section titled:   Is life the physical body?  °   and the section titled: Why Abortion is a Religious Freedom Issue °  

With regard to your comment:

" The fallacy termed the slippery slope is also apparent in the religious freedoms message with the six truths. The assumption is made that one event would set off a certain chain of events, which is rarely provable, especially in this extreme example. I found this when it is said "
3) Because acknowledging reincarnation would, a) expose the Pope's infallibility fairytale for what it is, b) acknowledge the Christian Bible as presently written is different from the original text, c) acknowledge that there is more than one way to interpret the Christian Bible . . . "

The items listed are not a chain of events one following the other.   There is no slippery slope here.   Each item in the above list stands on its own.  We invite you to take this back to your teacher and ask him/her to support or correct your assessment of this section of our web site.

With regard to your comment:

" This particular statement  [the slippery slope]   led me to also question the credibility of this site because it displayed lack of respect by expressing intentional or unintentional ignorance in the wording choice. For example, using the terms infallibility fairytale are misleading. The term infallible is often misunderstood by many to begin with. Accusing a group of intentionally misleading people and then using such words in argumentation is hypocritical. 

How about taking this statement to your English teacher.   What's your message here?   

If it's about infallibility, then ask and answer this question:   Is the Roman Catholic Pope's  declaration of infallibility anything but a fairytale?    

And if it's about misleading people,  take our abortion truth challenge  °  and find out which side in the forced motherhood war is  intentionally misleading people?  

And if it's about  hypocrisy,  if there was an Academy Award for hypocrisy,  the anti-abortion leaders would win first prize.  °   

Ask your teacher if he/she considers discounting our entire website content based upon your personal opinion of one statement as an example of "the slippery slope?"  

With regard to your comment:

" Finally, I don't see how it is plausible to make this issue a religious rights issue if you are misunderstanding the religions views. More and more these views are becoming based on scientific advances in prenatal care and technology associated with it. Also, generalizing Christian views in saying science and sex are bad is an incorrect generalization and demonstrates misinformation on the part of these websites."

Are you expressing your opinions here or are you expressing facts?   You say:  "if you are misunderstanding the religions views."   The anti-abortion war is not about a view of reality that everybody but you and those who agree with you is misunderstanding.   There are literally thousands of religious views.   Have you read the page titled:? Why Abortion is a Religious Freedom Issue? ° 

This conflict is about freedom,°   It's about allowing everybody to have, their own religious beliefs and live by those beliefs.°    The beliefs in question here are:  "What is life?"°   "Is it a cycle that doesn't begin or end but simply changes form?"  "If life begins when does it begin?°    etc.   In answering these questions, who has the right to force their beliefs onto someone else?  You might also read the page titled:  The Universal Spiritual Perspective on Life and on Abortion.°     

The science you refer to is about physical matter and biology.  Religion is about who and what a human being is.  We cannot prove anything about God.   To use physical evidence to support beliefs that transcend physical reality is still another false argument.

And one final comment:   Are you responding to our web site from a genuine belief that the evidence we present is false or intentionally misleading, or are you reacting to the fact that our web site has rattled your previously unexamined belief system all the way to its core?

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